Is Espresso in reality TextMate 2?

  • 28 September

Not a long time ago MacRabbit has released info on a new project of theirs, called Espresso, which is a code editor. The project seems to be a hell load of an amazing one – as amazing as TextMate was years ago. So the obvious question is, whether Macromates and MacRabbit are now one.

This post is outdated. My opinion might have changed since the time this post was published.

Not that I’m a huge conspiracy theory fan, but it would make sense. Macromates always seemed to me to be more of a one person indie development project – Allan Odgaard. And like most indie developers, there’s a time when they’re being hired/acquired/eaten by bigger companies – which MacRabbit seems to be.

Besides, it would seem it’s about time for Allan to release his new offspring – it’s been almost three years since the last update for Pete’s sake!

Are you with me? Is Espresso, TextMate 2? I’d love if that was the case.

14 responses so far. Care to add one yourself?

  1. Andrzej Ka?a September 28th, 2008 at 18:22

    • It’s hard to say if it might be TextMate2 (though that would be rad). Still, when it’s released I think I might switch from Coda. I hope it’ll be released soon.

  2. Dominik Porada September 28th, 2008 at 18:23

    • I truly hope and believe the Expresso is going to beat Coda (I actually prefer Coda much more than TextMate) and—connecting to the post—will be a sort of TextMate 2 with Macromates+MacRabbit company behind.

      I’d love—as well.

  3. Arjan Terol September 28th, 2008 at 21:50

    • The advantage MacRabbit has is that it has 2 great product examples to go up against. Knowing the Mac community they have to beat both with features, usability etc. to make Expresso a success. I hope cssedit is intergraded so I won’t have to switch apps constantly…

  4. Oscar November 8th, 2008 at 20:14

    • If they were one and the same or working to merge, why would the MacRabbit team create a brand new plugin architecture (Sugars), when TextMate bundles are already pretty prolific?

      I do like the idea of them becoming one … it would sure save me $$ on having to buy both ;)

  5. René November 11th, 2008 at 13:44

    • I don’t hope so. I’ve tried coda and after a test of two weeks I dropped it because with textmate I was always faster. Ok, textmate has no code completion like coda but this feature prevented me from being fast cause I had go back and change the automatically added values or anythin else it added.

      Sure it could be nice feature but I don’t wanted it and there was no possibility to disable it.

      So I truely hope, macromates will release a new version… but you’re right - it’s long long time ago a new update was released.

      Sorry for the bad english - I’m not a native speaker.

      Kind regards, René

  6. Jacob Kaplan-Moss November 17th, 2008 at 03:44

    • > Is Espresso, TextMate 2?

      No.

  7. Rob January 2nd, 2009 at 20:58

    • It’s not. But given how good Espresso looks versus how much Textmate has become You’ll-Get-It-When-You-Get-It-So-Shut-The-Hell-Upware, I think Espresso will be all the things Textmate 2 is supposed to be and will take a big chunk of their clientele, including die-hard TM users like myself.

      And, I’m sorry, but I have to do it: it’s eSpresso, not eXpresso. Yep, just like the beverage.

  8. Oskar Krawczyk January 3rd, 2009 at 00:07

    • Indeed. This was actually written long before the private beta so at that time the answer to the question wasn’t as obvious as now.

      I hate the fact that Allan (of TextMate said that in the first place), and also I’m surprised that having a HUGE fan-base that would pay a lot of bucks for TM2 he’s still not releasing anything… Which, if you ask me, will never happen. He’s probably somewhere in Bora Bora sipping cold Margaritas or something.

  9. Watts January 27th, 2009 at 20:09

    • “…how much TextMate has become You’ll-Get-It-When-You-Get-It-So-Shut-The-Hell-Upware…”

      This is so depressingly true. I came across a (third-party) blog post from earlier this month suggesting that TM2 was going into private alpha in a month and a public beta “in maybe six months.” Great and all, but this is a hell of a window to leave open for competition. It shouldn’t be lost on anyone that MacRabbit’s written a converter for TextMate’s syntax definition files.

      The last time I looked at Espresso it didn’t have integrated version control support, and that’s pretty important to me… but if it gets that (either natively or through a “sugar,” if they’re capable of that kind of extension), well.

  10. @textmator March 28th, 2009 at 11:31

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  11. Oscar Godson March 30th, 2009 at 01:17

    • Espresso is no where near TextMate. There are numerous features missing. Auto complete can not be turned off, there is no auto character closing like brackets, parenthesis, etc and worst of all the CSS side to it is done completely different then the rest of the program. It’s like you get extra CSS stuff like auto closing curly brackets, but when you use PHP or HTML this does not happen. I tried using Espresso but’s it’s far to inferior to TextMate. I WISH textmate 2 would be released, but I have been feeling like it never will be…

      P.S. I contacted MacRabbit with some technical issues and they just never responded… awesome.

  12. Oskar Krawczyk March 30th, 2009 at 10:37

    • Yup. The final version of Espresso seems to be much better than the beta ones. Snippets are pretty snappy, plus they use the same convention as TM snipps. As for now, I’m still using TM as my default editor.

  13. J Ignacio October 23rd, 2009 at 23:35

    • is there a “mate .” command for espresso?

  14. totoro March 5th, 2010 at 15:54

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